we don't want to be like greece. entitlement reforms, the majority of our spending, and also to make sure that those programs are preserved 2024 medicare is insolvent. social security 2033. it is time for us to come together and solve the big problems. >> do you think entitlements have to be on the table? >> putting revenue on the table versus specificity is really two different things. as a business guy, you got to have a term sheet with details. if the republican leadership -- >> senator mcconnell said, hey, you know what, let's raise the -- >> the president doesn't like the details in the term sheet that secretary geithner laid out, then come up with a counter term sheet. we've got to get past the kind of washington decoder speak and say specifically how do we get there? i also believe that one of the things we need to get to is major tax reform, but we need to go ahead and lay down what we're going to get layout what we do before the end of the year, and then how we get to that -- i believe at least $4 trillion i